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Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:57:00 -
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Why do you at CCP think that it would be a good idea to implement a new anonymous tool to be able to harass players, who never ever did criminal acts to others?
DevBlog wrote:
[...] bounties can now be placed on anyone, weGÇÖre removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.
Why this? Someone who never played offensive and just wants to play WITHOUT beeing a pirat, ganker or a$$hole and just wants to fly his missions, build ships or mines will now get bountys. WHY?
You state that:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I don't see how that's different than just ganking him over and over without the bounty?
When there is no diference .. why this option to anonymous griefe a person with a positive security rating with bounty who never did criminal acts?
I never did criminals acts because I never wanted a bounty! Now every player is able to add an bounty to me although I never did harm him/her.
I thought that the bounty system is administrated from CONCORD; the police in EVE. But now even good players will get bounties just for fun. THAT IS UNFAIR!
Keep the option to place bountys to REAL CRIMINALS with negative security rating .. not to someone who never played like an a$$hole!
DevBlog wrote:
Bounty pools are eliminated and a portion returned to those that contributed to the pool if the target has been inactive (unsubscribed) for a long time.
You want unsubs from EVE? How long is this period that I have to unsub and play another game till the set bounty of my character is gone? |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:27:00 -
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@ Punkturis please try to answer:
Why do you at CCP think that it would be a good idea to implement a new anonymous tool to be able to harass players, who never ever did criminal acts to others?
DevBlog wrote:
[...] bounties can now be placed on anyone, weGÇÖre removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.
Why this? Someone who never played offensive and just wants to play WITHOUT beeing a pirat, ganker or a$$hole and just wants to fly his missions, build ships or mines will now get bountys. WHY?
You state that:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I don't see how that's different than just ganking him over and over without the bounty?
When there is no diference .. why this option to anonymous griefe a person with a positive security rating with bounty who never did criminal acts?
I never did criminals acts because I never wanted a bounty! Now every player is able to add an bounty to me although I never did harm him/her.
I thought that the bounty system is administrated from CONCORD; the police in EVE. But now even good players will get bounties just for fun. THAT makes no sense.
Keep the option to place bountys to REAL CRIMINALS with negative security rating .. not to someone who never played like an a$$hole! |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:42:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Alexander Renoir wrote:@ Punkturis please try to answer: Why do you at CCP think that it would be a good idea to implement a new anonymous tool to be able to harass players, who never ever did criminal acts to others? DevBlog wrote:
[...] bounties can now be placed on anyone, weGÇÖre removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system.
Why this? Someone who never played offensive and just wants to play WITHOUT beeing a pirat, ganker or a$$hole and just wants to fly his missions, build ships or mines will now get bountys. WHY? You state that: CCP Punkturis wrote:
I don't see how that's different than just ganking him over and over without the bounty?
When there is no diference .. why this option to anonymous griefe a person with a positive security rating with bounty who never did criminal acts? I never did criminals acts because I never wanted a bounty! Now every player is able to add an bounty to me although I never did harm him/her. I thought that the bounty system is administrated from CONCORD; the police in EVE. But now even good players will get bounties just for fun. THAT makes no sense. Keep the option to place bountys to REAL CRIMINALS with negative security rating .. not to someone who never played like an a$$hole! I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local.. you can be a pretty annoying forum poster but a nice person in game so you might want to place bounty on that guy I think that if you're a nice person in general people are going to leave you alone that said, there are of course mean people that'll suicide gank anyone, with or without bounties but I'll also point out I'm not a game designer, I'm just a brogrammer 
Sorry, but I do not have your faith. People annoy other people JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN! It was ever so in EVE. Why do you think that there will be a change and that all people will use the new bounty system as intented? That will NOT happen. It is the nature of eve that there will be griefing. They need no reason.
But perhaps I can use this new system to show you that you do NOT need a special reason to get a bounty. All I have to do is waiting and set a few 100k ISK on some CCP's as soon as this crap goes online.  |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:53:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't be, I said I think it will mostly be used to place bounty on annoying people!
but I mean people already gank nice people, do you think they'll start doing so much more of that now if they have bounties on them?
also, I'l say it again, your sec status in space doesn't have to say that you're not annoying, you could be super annoying on the forums!
ALL you forget is the FACT that my main char is a nice guy who likes to help other players. Now imagine a new player who I want to help and who sees my bounty because of some other dumb player!
Ho should I explain an absolute new player, WITHOUT ANY knowledge of this game that I really like to help him? I habe 300 Mill ISK bounty on my head. I must be a bad guy. No one will have help from a man with a high bounty.
You at CCP do not really play ALL possible situations before you make an decision. So I will stop helping other players. Perhaps I will gank especially new players! Why? I have alrady bounty on my head. It is useless to take care of my reputation.
ABSOLUTE BAD IDEA CCP! |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:04:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Alexander Renoir wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:
I didn't say it wouldn't be, I said I think it will mostly be used to place bounty on annoying people!
but I mean people already gank nice people, do you think they'll start doing so much more of that now if they have bounties on them?
also, I'l say it again, your sec status in space doesn't have to say that you're not annoying, you could be super annoying on the forums!
ALL you forget is the FACT that my main char is a nice guy who likes to help other players. Now imagine a new player I want to help and who sees my bounty because of some other dumb player gave me a bounty! How should I explain an absolute new player, WITHOUT ANY knowledge of this game, that I really just like to help him? I have 300 Mill ISK bounty on my head. I must be a bad guy. No one will have help from a man with a high bounty. You at CCP do not really play ALL possible situations before you make an decision. So I will stop helping other players. Perhaps I will gank especially new players! Why? I will have alrady bounty on my head after this crap. It is useless to take care of my reputation. ABSOLUTE BAD IDEA CCP! hey I already told you I'm not a game designer, I don't know why you care so much about my opinion on it but I like that you're a nice guy and help new players, it's really cute :3 Punkturis has bounty on her head on TQ now, I hope that doesn't mean people don't see me as a nice person!
I just want to tell you.. and ALL other reading DEV's / CCP's that this simple idea of giving bounty to every one is a bad idea and I hope that EXACT my situation will be discussed from the people in power.
Good gys MUST be identifiable! Bounty on every one leads to the opinion "You have bounty? You are a bad guy. GO AWAY! NOW!!!"
Btw.. that was exact my opinion as i started playing eve. After some (long) time I learned what a crap bounty system CCP has developed.. but the firts weeks I do not wanted to have negative rated persons in my local.
Perhaps "placing bounty on every one" is not an idea from CCP. It is the evidence that CCP is unable to bring a better bounty system. If you do NOT implement the ability to place a bounty on a positive rated player; CCP wold be unable to bring bounty on corporations / alliances with positive rated players in this corp / alliance! |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:36:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Sec status, which the old bounties were based on, is NOT an indicator of a "good guy"!!! And if you are teaching that to people, then you are doing them a DISSERVICE... and need to stop!!!
A bounty system, where bounties can be placed on you by ANYONE is a far, far better barometer for good and not so good EvE players... Good players, that don't go out of their way to **** other players off, will rarely get bounties on them. Why would they?? I honestly think you're a scammer that is afraid his good guy facade will be ruined when people put a bounty on your head for scamming them.... why else would you be so fearful of this change??
No! You are wrong. No scammer or something. Just a missionrunner with another char.
I never "teached that bounty is an indicator of a good guy". That is the idea EVERY new player will have itself.
Your last sentence "Why I hate this change" shows me, that you have not red the post at once.
One more time. It is a bad Idea. And I am not a scammer or PvPler etc. I am just worried to have a bounty on my head which leads to the presumption (from new players) that I am not a trustworthy person. That is all. |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.24 14:56:00 -
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The current and new bounty system has a lot of improvement potential.
The first point is the list for most wanted (char/ corporation/ alliance) and successful hunter. Why is this list limited to ten entries?
Solution: It should show more than ten entries.
Second point: Why is there absolute NO regulation or limitation for bounties? I mean there are a lot of grievers in EVE. CCP know this fact. This is why CCP does not allow to spend bounties on CCPGÇÖs staff and volunteers.
The current situation is now that too many players have a senseless bounty on their head from some one who was bored or is just an idiot and wants to annoy other players!
This leads to the misleading situation that the current most successful bounty hunters are just simple gankers who killed some one with a (lol) bounty.
Furthermore there are a lot of helping peoples who left your help channels because of the fact, that some one spends always a bounty on them if they see them in this channel!
Solution:
Enable a break against grievers who just wants to annoy other people. It should not be possible again to spend a bounty on characters with positive security rating (similar to the restriction from CCP to not spend bounties on CCP). The bounty pool is under control of CONCORD. THE POLICE IN EVE. Why should the police allow to spend bounties on chars which does NEVER EVER something wrong? You get now bounties from some one who you never ever had contact with.
Or..
Make it so that a char has just a few possibilities to spend bounties. Some one with more then ten enemies in EVE has other problems in game and RL and do not deserves to spend bounty on every char he has seen in the local / help channel.
I know that a bounty does not enable killrights or something other. THIS is also not the point here.
The question to CCP is: Why do you implement the current mechanic NOW and not years back, as you have started with EVE? Perhaps you know that it is just made for grievers! I like the ide of the partially payment of bounties. But not that all players in EVE have a bounty.. without ANY reason or association to the man who spend the bounty.
So.. and now I am waiting for your bounties folks.* irony  |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.12.24 15:34:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Frivolous bounties don't effect your game one bit. No one wants to be Concorded to go after your 100k bounty, or even in some cases your 10M bounty.
Again:
Alexander Renoir wrote:
I know that a bounty does not enable killrights or something other. THIS is also not the point here.
The question to CCP is: Why do you implement the current mechanic NOW and not years back, as you have started with EVE? Perhaps you know that it is just made for grievers! I like the ide of the partially payment of bounties. But not that all players in EVE have a bounty.. without ANY reason or association to the man who spend the bounty.
It effects me. I do not wish to have a bounty. Because I never did something wrong. It is NOW, that every idiot spends a lol Bounty if you type something into an official channel. THIS MUST STOP! |
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